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July 28, 2006

Landis likes Larry, eludes Leno

Don't look for Floyd Landis on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno tonight. Landis was scheduled, but cancelled after his A sample from Stage 17 tested over the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio limit.

He will, however, visit America's greatest softball pitcher, the tried-and-true first defense of the scandal-plagued: Larry King Live. Landis will of course discuss his initial positive test.

Another Floyd tidbit: FreeFloydLandis is a new weblog by somebody who knows more about this stuff than I do: Lots of stuff about 13C/12C ratios, IRMS tests, and ethanol.

Posted by Frank Steele on July 28, 2006 in Doping, Floyd Landis | Permalink


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I'm sure I'm like most of you in having a lot of wild thoughts, triangulations, etc. lately about testosterone, Floyd, etc. From what I understand from press reports, Floyd is a logical thinker. "Why ask a man to do 100%? Why not ask him to do 1300% per cent?". So as a philosophy minor in college, I offer this syllogism:

a: all tour winners are alpha males.
b: alpha males have more testosterone than average males,
c: ergo...

Floyd Landis is not guilty. He's being crucified by an ignorant press, with money quotes by hipocrites like Marc Madiot (who doped) and Laurent Fignon (who blew out an achilles heel from amphetimes).

And the UCI has ruined careers, lives. I cite Graeme Obree as a prime example. There are hundreds of others. Astute readers to this blog, you know what i'm talking about. Corruption in professional sport is *not* limited to players.

The problem is Politics. As Mencken said, "The last refuge of the scoundrels."

Posted by: chasey at Jul 28, 2006 4:56:23 PM

Good Luck Floyd in your fight. You're an inspiration!

Posted by: Shawn Mansfield at Jul 28, 2006 6:49:26 PM

Liar Hamilton and Fraud Landis; USPS!

Posted by: Kickstandman at Jul 28, 2006 8:46:11 PM

Weird, according to what I just heard on Larry King, Landis hasn't requested the testing of the B sample yet (contrary to news reports that say its results are due early next week).

Posted by: noelle at Jul 28, 2006 9:15:14 PM

I recommend looking at freefloydlandis.blogspot.com for good info. I hope Floyd and his advisors are going to request the IRMS version of the test for Sample B, in order to get detailed analysis, not just a vague ratio.

I find it unbelievable that Floyd still does not know the actual results of the test of Sample A! What kind of organization is running this show? And according to the decent Larry King interview, Floyd has never seen the results of any race tests, because riders only see the results of tests that are positive for something. So he has no record of his test history, even during the TdF. If the testers and UCI/WADA organizations are against Floyd, who is supposed to help him access all of the data necessary to figure things out? It seems like he's up a crick.

Also, Floyd's doctor said on Larry King that the allowed T:E ration was reduced from 10:1 to 6:1 to 4:1. I've never hear the 10:1 figure--is that true?

Posted by: Jason M. at Jul 28, 2006 9:50:08 PM

As a consultant with a number of elite sports teams, I'm very familiar with drug testing protocols.

Further, I've been in touch with the Landis camp recently, trying to help them make some sense of this situation.

Here are some thoughts on this debacle...


Posted by: Dr John Berardi at Jul 28, 2006 10:31:57 PM

There is a last chance for Floyd to at least show the fans that he is serious about his claim of innocence. There is a new lie detector called a Functional MRI that has real science behind it and is beginning to generate interest (and some fear) in legal circles. If he is telling the truth he shouldn't fear a fMRI scan.

"California entrepreneur Joel T. Huizenga plans to use that work to start offering lie-detecting services in Philadelphia this July.

His outfit, No Lie MRI Inc., will serve government agencies and "anybody that wants to demonstrate that they're telling the truth," he said."




Posted by: LarryO at Jul 28, 2006 11:35:01 PM

some smarts in the media, at last:


Posted by: Cranky at Jul 29, 2006 12:21:02 AM

It there does not have a possible debate, the world of cycling sick, is rotted, syphilitic and the high authorities of cycling make fun of us. Lance Amstrong was always doped but without being made take, you Mr Landis lost. Cycling died…

I'm sorry for my translation.

Posted by: Lucie fer de Lens at Jul 29, 2006 5:19:22 AM

Lucie fer de Lens,

I guess if you believe that Armstrong was doping the whole time and able to elude being caught no matter how much he was tested, then it seems the only logical outcome of that belief is to stop testing all cyclists. After all, what's the point? Really all we're doing is testing to see who has the best doping-evasion techniques.

If on the other hand one wants to take a more measured view, a view that holds cycling not as dead but as a very sick invalid, then there's much work that needs to be done.

Meaningful reforms could be made, starting with a focus on keeping information confidential until definitive tests can be performed. Next up is the question of the tests themselves; are the current round of tests useful, or do some of them return too many false positives?

I don't hold out much hope that the UCI, the various federations, and WADA will reach any meaningful agreement, since they seem to enjoy wringing their hands and making dramatic pronouncements more than they do actually acting as leaders. But perhaps if the cycling fans demand meaningful changes, we can refocus their collective attention.

Posted by: Jason at Jul 31, 2006 5:52:35 PM

I don't much see the point of testing the Testosterone/Epitestosterone ratio. Epitestosterone is able to be synthesized and is virtually indistinguishable from naturally occuring steroid. The rider abusing testosterone would be expected to have a ratio of 1:1 merely because they would be taking both substances together in equal amounts. Unless they screw up the dosing there is no way to tell the difference from the doped and the undoped.

Posted by: nevins at Jul 31, 2006 9:38:25 PM

Don't top level cyclists check their urine every day to confirm no violations, accidental or intentional? Landis should have known the test results even before the lab published their results. If synthetic testosterone had been in his system for weeks or months due to innocent use of some treatment, or if he were sabotaged, he should know it before the testing police. For any cyclist to simply assume that no test would ever be positive just because they were clean is naive and stupid. I think Landis is innocent, but I find it hard to be sympathetic if he did nothing in advance to prevent the inevitable.

Posted by: John at Aug 1, 2006 3:01:19 PM

As much as I want Floyd to be innocent, the sad fact is only he knows the truth. I think we all assume a person who is rich, famous or talented in a sport is incapable of lying. News flash-even those folks lie. I hope he isn't lying, but none of us will ever know. If he is lying, he does not deserve the title. It is sad that so many athletes get so desperate to win they will do anything, including doping.

Posted by: Ben at Aug 1, 2006 10:19:39 PM


You are right entirely, the only person responsible in this new scandal for doping, is the UCI…

Posted by: Lucie fer de Lens at Aug 4, 2006 6:43:52 AM